Hmmm... don't know why that is, but at least the square background is gone.

I've waited for the past two years, hoping that this problem would finally be solved by the time Debian Wheezy became Debian Stable. Several days ago, Wheezy became Debian Stable, so I upgraded to it, only to discover that this problem still exists -- and after wasting several hours on Google searches, all I've really learned is that nearly everyone who has written about this serious issue seems to think that simply shifting the 30-second delay from the very first Thunar startup to the very first network access is "a great solution."

Well, it's not a solution for me, or for any other computer users who access network shares.

All of my systems run NFS to access my shared file storage, and they all need to be able to access those shared files immediately - so the "solution" described above that disables AutoMount is not solution for me at all - it simply makes me wait an incredibly long time the first time I try to access files on my NFS share, which is almost always immediately after boot.

And using Thunar 1.6.0 is not an option for me either -- currently Thunar 1.6.x is only available to me in the Debian Experimental repository -- not an option for those of us who are running Debian Stable (Wheezy). And even if someone were to backport Thunar 1.6.x, I still can't find any information to tell me if the 30-second delay problem has actually been SOLVED in Thunar 1.6.0, or if Thunar 1.6.0 simply includes the delay-shifting non-solution described above.

So, to try to "solve" the problem, I've installed PCManFM, which doesn't have the problem at all. It starts instantly every time and lets me access my NFS shares instantly, too - no delays at all, even though it's accessing my network each time. Unfortunately, PCManFM doesn't have Thunar's Custom Actions feature, AFAIK, but I can live with that inconvenience a lot easier than this one.

Great, glad you were able to fix it on your system.

I am, too ;-)

I wasn't trying, because I assume the forums are frequented by the developers, too. Since the issue can be resolved by using a configure option, it really isn't much of a show stopper, just a minor nuisance one should be aware of. Others affected by the issue will eventually find this thread with a simple Google search (or whatever search engine they prefer), so eventually they too can solve the problem.

xfce-session: Session Manager running in verbose mode.

Nothing more. Where do I find all the verbose info??

It is not generally considered a good idea to mix debian and ubuntu repositories. You can install 4.10 from the following repository for sid:

deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext/ unstable main

There is no apt-key, so you will need to ignore the warning about lacking a public key.

That was defenitly a better idea than mixing repositories. Thank you for that!

I also posted this in the Arch linux forums...

did a fresh install of arch last weekend, installed cinnamon and gnome 3.10.  I had sound working fine.  Since cinnamon would lock up on me (tried the update, didn't work), and didn't care of the new gnome classic, I uninstalled gnome and cinnamon and installed Xfce4.  So far, I love Xfce4.10, and everything went smoothly, except after Xfce install, I didn't have sound, where it worked 1 hour prior with gnome and cinnamon.

I've read through the arch wiki's, and forums posts and tried their suggestions, however, nothing seems to work.

the output of speaker-test -c 6 appears to work, but I didn't get sound.

Here is some output that will help determine what's going on, though I'm not sure what to look for and could use some help.

$ lsmod | grep '^snd' | column -t
snd_usb_audio          111545  0
snd_usbmidi_lib        19027   1   snd_usb_audio
snd_hda_codec_hdmi     27857   4
snd_emu10k1            139495  1
snd_util_mem           2339    1   snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_codec         112216  1   snd_emu10k1
snd_hda_codec_realtek  62279   1
snd_rawmidi            18742   2   snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_emu10k1
snd_seq_device         5180    2   snd_rawmidi,snd_emu10k1
snd_hda_intel          33946   2
snd_hda_codec          101474  3   snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep              6364    3   snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec,snd_emu10k1
snd_pcm                76956   6   snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1
snd_page_alloc         7298    3   snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1
snd_timer              18687   2   snd_pcm,snd_emu10k1
snd                    58893   19  snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_device

$ ls -l /dev/snd
total 0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root       60 Apr 27 07:51 by-id
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root      120 Apr 27 07:51 by-path
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  7 Apr 27 07:51 controlC0
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 19 Apr 27 07:51 controlC1
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 28 Apr 27 07:51 controlC2
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 31 Apr 27 07:51 controlC3
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  6 Apr 27 07:51 hwC0D0
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  8 Apr 27 07:51 hwC1D0
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 27 Apr 27 07:51 hwC2D0
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 26 Apr 27 07:51 hwC2D1
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 25 Apr 27 07:51 hwC2D2
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 24 Apr 27 07:51 hwC2D3
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 10 Apr 27 07:51 midiC1D0
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  9 Apr 27 07:51 midiC1D1
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  5 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC0D0c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  4 Apr 27 11:44 pcmC0D0p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  3 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC0D1p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116,  2 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC0D2c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 18 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D0c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 17 Apr 27 11:55 pcmC1D0p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 16 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D1c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 15 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D2c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 14 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D2p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 13 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D3p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 12 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D4c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 11 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC1D4p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 23 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC2D3p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 22 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC2D7p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 21 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC2D8p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 20 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC2D9p
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 30 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC3D0c
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 29 Apr 27 07:51 pcmC3D0p
crw-rw----  1 root audio 116,  1 Apr 27 07:51 seq
crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 33 Apr 27 07:51 timer

I even ran though the setting default sound card from the Alsa wiki, no help.

I uninstalled pulseaudio and resinstalled and now when I run:

speaker-test -c 6

As speaker test cycles through my 5.1, on front left and front right, I get static out of all speakers, and on rear right, rear left, and center I don't have sound.    Ive had this before, and even posted about it https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=130964
I checked to see if I had volti installed and I do not.

Not sure what to check now so I get sound out of the 5.1 properly.  any ideas?

I'm new to Xfce, so not to sure what to look for, any and all help is appreciated.

Any and all help/guidance is appreciated.

--nixIT

*EDIT*
Changed subject to reflect 5.1 sound is not working.  with speaker-test -c 6, I have sound out of all the speakers at once only when speaker-test cycles to front left and front right.  no sound at all when cycling center, rear left or rear right.

sudo shutdown -r now

&& you may be good to go.

It's not that a trouble to just configure this every time I log in, but for the knowledge of it I wanna know how to automate this even more.
Any ideas?

Errors=0

git clone git://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel
cd xfce4-panel
./autogen.sh
make
....
make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/plugins/windowmenu'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/plugins/windowmenu'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/plugins'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/plugins'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/plugins'
Making all in wrapper
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/wrapper'
  GEN    wrapper-dbus-client-infos.h
make  all-am
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/wrapper'
  CC     wrapper-main.o
  CC     wrapper-wrapper-plug.o
  CC     wrapper-wrapper-module.o
  CCLD   wrapper
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: wrapper-wrapper-plug.o: undefined reference to symbol 'gdk_color_parse'
/usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: note: 'gdk_color_parse' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [wrapper] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/wrapper'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel/wrapper'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/temp/xfce4-panel'
make: *** [all] Error 2

And I should note that the gtk/gdk libs are being passed to libtool.

$category and $module are placeholders for actual categories and modules. See here: http://git.xfce.org/. For example: apps would be a category and mousepad would me a module. So to get mousepad, you would:

git clone git://git.xfce.org/apps/mousepad

I have solve this problem

And could you explain how for others who have the same problem?

Finally, I succeeded with the compilation. I had some help from rvcsaba at Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 926941.

I didn't strictly follow the solution given in comment 4 but here is how I did.

- Removed original package, before installed from source
- The source: http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4 … .3.tar.bz2
- Extract and read "README" file.
- Type command

$ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr

Then I get the error

checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.14.0... not found
*** The required package gtk+-2.0 was not found on your system.
*** Please install gtk+-2.0 (atleast version 2.14.0) or adjust
*** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
*** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that
*** pkg-config is able to find it.

Installed gtk2-devel and the problem was fixed but get the same error with others packages even if there were installed. The solution was the installation of "devel" of every "missing package".

Then I got message errors for missing dependencies. I installed them.

- After ./autogen succeeded :

$ make

and

$ su -c 'make install'

/usr/share/xfce4/weather and /usr/share/xfce4/panel/plugins/weather.desktop were in place so I didn't symlinked them.

- Copy /usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/plugins/libweather.la and usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/plugins/libweather.so in /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/ (to show plugin in panel configuration).

- Restart xfce panel

$ xfce4-panel -r

=> add and configure the plugin into the panel.

http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28645#p28645

and it works perfectly for me. so thanks ToZ

However, if I install xfce during the kickstart (@xfce during the install section) alongside gnome, I get the error:

Unable to load a failsafe session 

Unable to determine failsafe session name.  Possible causes: xfconfd isn't running (D-Bus setup problem); environment variable $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set incorrectly (must include "/etc"), or xfce4-session is installed incorrectly. 

I have modified the following files:
/etc/X11/xinit/Xclients:

GSESSION="$(which gnome-session 2>/dev/null)" 
STARTKDE="$(which startkde 2>/dev/null)"  
STARTXFCE="$(which startxfce4 2>/dev/null)"

# check to see if the user has a preferred desktop 
PREFERRED= 
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then    
 . /etc/sysconfig/desktop 
    if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then
         PREFERRED="$GSESSION"
     elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then
         PREFERRED="$STARTKDE"
     elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "XFCE" ]; then
         PREFERRED="$STARTXFCE"
     fi
fi

/home/user/.dmrc also created

[Desktop]
Language=en_US.utf8
Session=xfce

/etc/sysconfid/desktop:

DESKTOP=XFCE
DISPLAYMANAGER=GNOME

I also removed the /usr/share/Xsessions/gnome.Desktop file, leaving the xfce.desktop file only.  Still, I get the error above.

The only way for me to continue is to uninstall xfce and reinstall xfce.

Permissions on  home/user/.config are file (all readable and owned by user:user. 

Permissions on /etc/xdg are owner by root:root but readable by user.

I have /etc/gdm/custom.conf set to autologin user:

[daemon]
AutoLoginEnable=true
AutoLogin=user

The only thing I'm doing to customize xfce is to overwrite the /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml files with ones I have customized.  I'm going to remove that from the kickstart and re-install to see if that's an issue, but I really don't think it would be.

I really would like to leave gnome physically on the system.  I also know that I could remove GDM (in this case I'm not really needing it), but for some installs, I do need it.  Besides, I'm new to xfce and would really like to understand what is not working here.

Thanks for any input!