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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13753#p13753</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TomE wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>you could use the menu plugin with no text field and a custom menu.xml</p></div></blockquote></div><p>The menu plugin dosen&#039;t allow for &#039;mouse-over&#039; pop-up messages for each of the menu items&#160; in the menu list.&#160; I use the mouse-overs in launchers&#160; to tell what the program will do.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Tigerwolf)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13583#p13583</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>you could use the menu plugin with no text field and a custom menu.xml</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (TomE)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13582#p13582</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well maybe you&#039;re right and I add this option (hidden setting) in the new launcher plugin in trunk, we&#039;ll see ^-^. I will fix the kiosk problems first (in the 4.4 branch and trunk) and provide you some patches.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Nick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13578#p13578</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Nick wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>You can add a feature request in the Xfce <a href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org" rel="nofollow">Bugzilla</a>, but personally I don&#039;t see the advantage of this option for the &#039;mainstream&#039; Xfce user. More like a confusing button IMHO.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s an ergonomic issue for kiosk mode users (I operate 25 machines in open public use).&#160; Often they have never seen an interface like XFCE.&#160; The request comes from quite a bit of personal experience in dealing with user questions in this environment.</p><p>Often people will click a button to see what it does.&#160; Using the browsers example: if the default is Opera, they&#039;ll get that, then complain: &#039;Don&#039;t you have Firefox?&#039;&#160; &#160;Yes.&#160; Click the little arrow.&#160; Oh.&#160; I didn&#039;t see that / know what that was.</p><p>If you have no default set, you get &#039;How do I get a browser?&#160; I clicked the Web Browsers button and nothing happened.&#039;&#160; No.&#160; You have to click the little arrow.&#160; Oh... What arrow?&#160; &#160;This one right here.&#160; Oh!</p><p>It&#039;s true that a user familiar with how the interface works could probably fathom the subtleties.&#160; But for kiosk-type use, the interface needs to be as dolt-proof as possible.&#160; &#160; It&#039;s why XFCE&#039;s simplicty shines for these sorts of applications.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Tigerwolf)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13564#p13564</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You can add a feature request in the Xfce <a href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org" rel="nofollow">Bugzilla</a>, but personally I don&#039;t see the advantage of this option for the &#039;mainstream&#039; Xfce user. More like a confusing button IMHO.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Nick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Menued Launcher 'no default' action]]></title>
			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=13562#p13562</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>When building a menued launcher with multiple menu items, it would be VERY handy to optionally make clicking the&#160; panel icon just open the launcher list rather than do a command.</p><p>Example:&#160; A launcher named &#039;Browsers&#039; which does nothing more than open a list of available browsers rather than launch a default one.</p><p>While this can now be somewhat done by providing no command for the main icon to launch, but it requires the user to see and click on the &#039;expand arrow&#039; to get the menu items.&#160; &#160;The main icon doing nothing appears to many users as something broken.</p><p>The option I propose would either eliminate the expand arrow for such cases, or make the main icon also open the list as its action.</p><p>The could be set by having the preferences menu contain &#039;no default&#039; select button which would override a launch command, or it could be done by just noting the launch command is blank.</p><p>It would also be very nice if the expand arrow could optionally be placed on top/bottom (or appropriate side for vert panels) of the launcher icon like older XFCE versions.&#160; The current arrow side placement on horizontal menues makes it unclear which icon it goes with without a use of a seperator or doing a mouse-over.</p><p>Please consider these changes.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Tigerwolf)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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