It will, on the odd occasion, make it difficult under Windows to be sure what driver you need, much less Linux. 

(We used to have a box of those secondhand wifi cards for repairing systems. Some Dell, others not. They looked identical. I was sooooo glad when the last one was gone, and I could quit playing "guess which driver.")

This is why I tend to avoid Dell in favor of manufacturers who use the stock standard stuff, although I will say I've gotten some really good and stable results installing Linux on some old Dell comps.

wkr wrote:

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mm google gave me this - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install- … -1204.html

I have installed xfce 4.10 with this ppa in xubuntu 12.04 and it works fine so far.

Link is broken or incomplete? Does it point to the launchpad ppa (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10)?

The correct link is http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install- … -1204.html
To add the ppa :

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10

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mm google gave me this - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install- … -1204.html

I have installed xfce 4.10 with this ppa in xubuntu 12.04 and it works fine so far.

Link is broken or incomplete? Does it point to the launchpad ppa (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10)?

I came back here today to share my excitement over a Panel trick that KDE cant do!
Its this - see my blog - http://rsvelko.wordpress.com/2012/06/07 … esomeness/

Clever idea ! Thanks for sharing

I have installed xfce 4.10 with this ppa in xubuntu 12.04 and it works fine so far.

I came back here today to share my excitement over a Panel trick that KDE cant do!

Its this - see my blog - http://rsvelko.wordpress.com/2012/06/07 … esomeness/

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rsv wrote:
I dont like:
- when the main panel is put to the left in a vertical mode - the text goes vertical too - kinda funny to have to rotate my head each time to read the win title
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fixed in 4.10

= How do I install 4.10 via apt? Is it buggy in some major way ? When was the release?

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rsv wrote:
- I cant make the desktop show a folder of my choosing or no icons at all
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Preferences > desktop > Icons tab > Icon type menu > no icon at all

= super! Thanks.

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I tried synapse - nice!

I will also add the calc into the alt+f2 runner.

And last one - where do I dl the .deb packages for 4.10 ? Is there a ppa ?

mm google gave me this - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install- … -1204.html

nice!

Thanks man!

fixed in 4.10

Preferences > desktop > Icons tab > Icon type menu > no icon at all

Alt-f2 had been much improved in xfce 4.10 http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-appfinder/usage

I use Synapse : incredibly fast, full featured and no mono dependencies (ppa:synapse-core/ppa). But perhaps you may add a calculator function in the Alt-f2 of Xfce4.10 by custom actions http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-appfinder/preferences

Hope it will help

I am a potential co-developer of XFCE now cause I know how to contribute code and use git and ....

Here is my story:

I am very annoyed with ubuntu/DELL as of recently. My xps 15 (L502X) stopped suspending after I upgraded some packages on my system. A lot of forum/bugtracker searching took me 2 days with no success..

Somewhere in the process my kde 4.8 got to a point where I could not use the Start Menu button any more. All the kde apps crashed and could not be launched...

I searched for the error messages I was getting and it turned out all kinds of people were having them...

This is not the first time I have problems / instabilities after KDE upgrades. So to use my laptop I switched to LXDE at first... Several first sight annoyances made me wanna try XFCE. And now I am happy. Looks good. It is fast. And has all the everyday things I need from a desktop environment... All in all one could say google chrome is my OS/desktop env really these days ..

So things to take away:
- kde was not the cause for the suspend problems - it is 95% certain that it has sth to do with a faulty nvidia/dell/intel driver (aka the big hardware vendors dont have the time/desire to help open source ...) and from the other side of it - maybe not enough suport in the 3.2.0 kernel...
- KDE was too buggy for me. Maybe I got emotional after the suspend bug made me angry...
- XFCE is easy enough and not buggy so far

TRying for a few days if I will get nostalgic about KDE. Currently cant think of a logical reason why...

Stay tuned.

I like what XFCe comes by default with :
- the tooltips
- the settings are easy to find
- the right click menus are minimal and contain only stuff I actually need
- the overall visuals - awesome
- the lightness
- the app launcher program
- all the necessary plugins are here
- I can very easily change the start menu icon...
- the brightness/volume Fn keys work and display a nice OSD while changing... this was screwed in KDE last time. Generally it worked...

I dont like:
- when the main panel is put to the left in a vertical mode - the text goes vertical too - kinda funny to have to rotate my head each time to read the win title
- there is no search bar in the start menu (but the Application Finder is easy to find  - both in the start menu and also easy to setup as a separate widget in the panel...)
- I cant make the desktop show a folder of my choosing or no icons at all
- the alt+f2 launcher is too simple - am I missing sth ? I use it in conjunction with the app finder - depending on what I want to do
- there is no fast everuday calculator in the alt+f2 launcher - I miss the "=5+5" functionality from KDE. Tried running krunner - no luck. Gnome do is prolly what I have to use - but it depends on mono - which is a shame for me... cause mono is Microsoft's backdoor into screwing linux...