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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How does Terminal's X-properties differ when the frame is off?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>secipolla wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The frame AFAIK is provided by the window manager.<br />So if you want a frameless window either use a theme with no frame or a window manager that doesn&#039;t use a frame.<br />With devilspie, IIRC, you can make a window have no title bar.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>---</p><p>Um...but terminal uses cygwin-X which uses the native windows manager.&#160; Using that, I can turn frames on or off in &#039;terminal&#039; -- so I was trying to figure out how it did that -- as it has to be doing it through the X-protocol, so I could apply it to other windows.</p><p>i.e. xfce already has the ability to turn off/turn on the window frame manager through my existing Cygwin-X that uses the windows window manager (win7).&#160; I&#039;m trying to figure out how you tell cygwin-X to get rid of the frame on 1 specific window (not all), as it can do it on just the &quot;Terminal&quot; program, for example, at &quot;Terminal&#039;s&quot; request (initiated by me from the<br />Terminal menu) -- which I think is very cool.&#160; &#160;So how is it telling &quot;X&quot; to turn off the frame? --<br />this works for Terminal running natively (i.e. on Windows under cygwin), as well as <br />remotely on a linux box and simply using the Cygwin-X display.&#160; &#160;Either one can request the frame be turned off on it&#039;s corresponding client window.</p><p>I was just trying to figure out how it was done -- or asking if anyone here knew...(i.e. that&#039;s why I&#039;m asking under general discussion&#160; -- it&#039;s not a bug!, it&#039;s a cool feature that I&#039;m trying to figure out how is done!)...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How does Terminal's X-properties differ when the frame is off?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The frame AFAIK is provided by the window manager.<br />So if you want a frameless window either use a theme with no frame or a window manager that doesn&#039;t use a frame.<br />With devilspie, IIRC, you can make a window have no title bar.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=27655#p27655</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to figure out if there was some way of starting a generic X program (like one can use -geometry to place most such windows) that told X not to display the frame of a window.</p><p>I thought I&#039;d do a Xwininfo on Terminal with it&#039;s frame turned on and off and look at diffs...<br />they were identical...*arg*...<br />Does that mean turning the window frame off isn&#039;t an X-property?</p><p>Also, how does one move the window when the frame is off?&#160; I&#039;ve tried pressing various<br />combinations of SHIFT/ALT/CTL &amp; various clicks, but none seemed to be an alternate movement<br />method for the window...</p><p>Just trying to make my life a bit more convenient...by automating opening and setting up <br />various windows I normally use.</p><br /><p>FWIW .. I usually run on Win7 -- and log into my linux box and display things remotely<br />via X...a major feature benefit of using remote windows -- I get full unicode support and even<br />I can understand how to configure ranges in the &#039;font-config&#039; util...whereas displaying foreign chars in a windows util??&#160; HAHAHAHA....joke...</p><p>The best font on windows for Unicode -- Arial Uni, isn&#039;t monospaced, and, of course, MSwin is a bit too dense to be able to use a proportional font in a monospace window (which X can do), but it doesn&#039;t need to, due to the excellent font-config support.&#160; </p><p>And MS doesn&#039;t care -- they just want to dumb their interface down for the next smartphone...<br />(ARRG!)</p><p>Thanks,<br />Astara</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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