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#1 2011-03-27 16:42:04

xf∞
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Make xfce better (my ideas)

Lets start.

First idea:
Thunar remember sort type of folder.

And some ideas to realize that:
1) At configurational file/folder there are 4 sections/folders, where stored adresses of folder. Every section/folder make sort folders, as written before.
2) Create 3-4 buttons on the Thunar window to make sort. We can use space after main menu of Thunar, as that space empty.
This maybe extension, 'cos not all users need different sort type, but I for me it necessary.

Any other ideas later.

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#2 2011-03-29 18:16:40

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Don't capitalise the "Desktop", "Media" etc folders. And make that you can change the location of them. Media for me would be a separate hard disk, not some fixed folder under ~/home.

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#3 2011-03-29 21:21:12

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Havoc wrote:

Don't capitalise the "Desktop", "Media" etc folders. And make that you can change the location of them. Media for me would be a separate hard disk, not some fixed folder under ~/home.

That is already possible, but not from within a graphical interface: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs

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#4 2011-03-30 17:55:43

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Oh, so I can get rid of them completely! Even better.

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#5 2011-04-13 04:55:59

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

allowing single-click of items on the desktop would be nice.

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#6 2011-04-13 04:57:29

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

it would also be really cool if I could tag wallpapers with theme info so that selecting a wallpaper would automatically select the theme, window manager, fonts and cursor that go with it.

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#7 2011-04-13 15:44:16

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

bohu wrote:

it would also be really cool if I could tag wallpapers with theme info so that selecting a wallpaper would automatically select the theme, window manager, fonts and cursor that go with it.

+1!!

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#8 2011-04-13 17:45:15

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

bohu wrote:

it would also be really cool if I could tag wallpapers with theme info so that selecting a wallpaper would automatically select the theme, window manager, fonts and cursor that go with it.

Or even better, be able to pick a theme & get the window manager, icons, fonts, cursor & wallpaper picked. wink


I use Xfce.  Don't you wish Everyone did? big_smile

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#9 2011-04-14 09:39:48

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Thunar remember sort type of folder.

This is a terrible idea. It's like Explorer's insistence on using a different view mode for each directory.

We can use space after main menu of Thunar, as that space empty.

Packing non-menu widgets into/alongside the menubar is bad practice. It's inconsistent and it just leads to breakage with various GTK+ themes and common GTK+ hacks, like universal menubars. Sorting can already be accessed via the View menu with a single click so what use case this would serve isn't clear.

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#10 2011-04-14 21:18:32

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

xf∞ wrote:

2) Create 3-4 buttons on the Thunar window to make sort. We can use space after main menu of Thunar, as that space empty.

If you want fast sorting access, you want keyboard shortcuts.

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#11 2011-04-15 14:47:39

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

???
How can I force thunar to sort files by console commands?
I found info about sort, but thats useful only for console.

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#12 2011-04-15 19:21:26

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

xf∞ wrote:

???
How can I force thunar to sort files by console commands?
I found info about sort, but thats useful only for console.

You could modify the thunarrc LastSortColumn/LastSortOrder properties before lauching, but that will only work if the thunar daemon is not running.

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#13 2011-04-16 15:39:43

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

xf∞ wrote:

???
How can I force thunar to sort files by console commands?
I found info about sort, but thats useful only for console.

I think you're confused.

- Open Settings>Appearance>Settings and make sure, "Enable editable accelerators", is ticked.

- In Thunar, open the View>Arrange Items menu, hover over the sorting method you want and, using the keyboard, enter the keyboard shortcut you want. If it's a valid shortcut, the menu will now display it next to the menu item.

shortcut.png

http://ompldr.org/vOGFtaQ/shortcut.png

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#14 2011-04-18 17:10:59

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

etnlWings, very big thanks!
I already turned on that, but I didn't read about accelerators
Awesome! What a useful thing!
Very big thanks!

But ideas about storing settings maybe useful too.


From russian forums I found, what people don't like:
gvfsd
They said its too many dependence of gnome files (about 30-100 Mb).
I don't care about it, but independence of gnome may be useful.

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#15 2011-04-19 08:41:19

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

xf∞ wrote:

From russian forums I found, what people don't like:
gvfsd
They said its too many dependence of gnome files (about 30-100 Mb).
I don't care about it, but independence of gnome may be useful.

We have (and if time permits it this is still on the todo list) to add native support for trash in thunar, but appart from that; you need gvfs for remote filesystems, something that has been request a lot in 4.6. That said, you can also compile gvfs yourself, because a lot in gvfs is optional, especially the parts that pull a lot of deps (distros more or less enable all of them) . So don't entirely blame us: if you care about the dependencies, you can also strip gvfs yourself.

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#16 2011-04-19 13:32:23

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

I'm really looking forward to be able to get to network shares in Thunar. I'm using "nautilus --no-desktop" in Debian testing until then. Thanks for all of your work, Nick and everyone else.

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#17 2011-04-19 15:32:03

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

It would be very beautiful if I could to choose, whether I want to see the trash or not.
There are many users who know what they do also without trash!

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#18 2011-04-23 21:23:12

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

I agree, Clio.  It's possible to set nautilus to allow delete without moving to the trash, and I'd love to see Thunar add that as a configuration option.


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#19 2011-04-24 00:24:35

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

I agree as well. I always use that feature in Nautilus.

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#20 2011-04-24 11:54:40

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This is also a reason why I use Xfce4 with nautilus.

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#21 2011-04-24 18:35:58

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Clio wrote:

It would be very beautiful if I could to choose, whether I want to see the trash or not.
There are many users who know what they do also without trash!

If you use shift-delete, it will delete rather than move to the trash. This also works in Nautilus and even Windows Explorer.

The thing I would like to see most in Thunar is an integrated file search function. I was able to use catfish in a custom action, but it's missing many features that an integrated solution would have.

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#22 2011-04-24 18:58:06

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Thank you, akb825.  It's not that I want to make XFCE look (or work) more like Gnome, it's just that I've found some of the little features useful, and would like to be able to use them here.  None of them are deal breakers, and some of them are just eye candy that I've gotten used to, so I'm not exactly in any hurry to fix them all.

As an example, there's a way in Gnome to set the background of an icon's label to transparent, so that the text just "floats" on your wallpaper.  It'd be nice to do that in XFCE, because it looks good, but if there's a way to do it, I haven't found it yet.  (Changing the text color would be nice too, BTW.)

As far as the Trash goes, I've never found it useful at home.  I did tech support for an ISP for 7.5 years, and only once had reason to recover something from there on a Windows box.  And, in that case, I had to talk the caller through doing it in DOS because her machine had crashed while copying files and wouldn't boot without two of the files we'd deleted.  As luck would have it, she actually had a boot floppy and I was able to talk her through recovering the files, after which it booted and we tried again.  (Yes, all went well the second time around.)


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#23 2011-04-24 21:34:54

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Sideburns wrote:

As an example, there's a way in Gnome to set the background of an icon's label to transparent, so that the text just "floats" on your wallpaper.  It'd be nice to do that in XFCE, because it looks good, but if there's a way to do it, I haven't found it yet.  (Changing the text color would be nice too, BTW.)

Mint Xfce has a setting for this. I've set it up for other people but don't use desktop icons myself so don't remember much about it.

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#24 2011-04-25 02:10:09

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

There this post on how to do what you want. Howto: Remove the borders of your desktop icon text  Seems harder to do than GNOME though.


I use Xfce.  Don't you wish Everyone did? big_smile

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#25 2011-04-25 02:16:49

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Re: Make xfce better (my ideas)

Thank you.  I'm a tad amused to see that whoever wrote that doesn't seem to know that you don't need to create a file and then edit it; just open mousepad, put in what you want and use Save As to name it.


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