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#1 2021-10-03 22:04:28

dusthillresident
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Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

Post YES in this thread if you will find an alternative desktop environment if the XFCE desktop applications (text editor, etc etc) get redesigned to use CSD.

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#2 2021-10-03 22:05:29

dusthillresident
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

YES

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#3 2021-10-03 22:17:21

ToZ
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

There was a poll posted here earlier in the year. Here are the results of that poll.

I still think a good compromise would be to make CSD optional - via a switch.

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#4 2021-10-03 22:38:18

dusthillresident
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

I think it's so messed up that GNOME basically controls every aspect of the linux desktop ecosystem. Like you just can't get away from it. If GNOME just kept to themselves and did their CSD thing that would be fine, instead they dictate it to everyone that everyone else needs to do it too. I really deeply resent it. I haven't touched the gnome desktop itself since 2011 and I'm still forced to deal with gnome bullshit because GTK is absolutely everywhere. you can't get away from it.

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#5 2021-10-04 01:45:24

mr_glitch
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

dusthillresident wrote:

If GNOME just kept to themselves and did their CSD thing that would be fine, instead they dictate it to everyone that everyone else needs to do it too.

They don't dictate anything GTK is made for GNOME no matter you like it or not. It's not for Linux desktop environments in general, and it doesn't mean, no one except GNOME can use it. For example, Pantheon DE use GTK and GNOME, but they wrote own widget library instead of using libhandy/libadwaita and/or pushing GNOME to implement stuff they need. They even help with development.

After last event with Jeremy Soller from System76 I can understand why collaboration with GNOME is or can be though. There are also Jeremy's tweets, but I don't want to spend time to find them.

TL;TR
- Can you do  something for me?
- Maybe we can do this in proper way, can you help?
- maybe

ToZ wrote:

I still think a good compromise would be to make CSD optional - via a switch.

CSD switch seems to be a good middle ground, but I'm curious how problematic it will be in the long run. I know that Liferea have plugin to switch from titlebar to CSD.

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#6 2021-10-06 01:42:44

Compositoron
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

CSD looks good in my opinion. Not on everything, so, as noted, that gtk3-nocsd works well for programs I don't want to have csd.

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#7 2021-10-13 01:07:14

Tio
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

Optional is the best approach in my view. We use global menus and no window bar when maximized for our TROMjaro.com distribution and works really great, but gnome apps are the greatest offenders. Global Menus, and especially HUD are amazing tools that will break it seems, if you implement this. I'd rather love to see XFCE supporting global menus and HUD properly and officially.

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#8 2021-10-16 13:07:08

denyer
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

My objection's likewise less about visuals and more that windows are there for a window manager to manage and make behave consistently. It's not for individual application developers to ignore the system they're running things on. That's why the 90s was full of novelty interfaces for scanners, webcams, etc and I'd rather not go backwards twenty or thirty years.

For main box already switched start of 2020. Plasma with a mix of stuff (custom icon set, apps using various toolkits plus some legacy things with Wine) and have found it stable and light. There's a lot of active development, and unlike with Windows/Gnome/etc there isn't usually an abusive relationship with the user community where existing functionality gets removed.

Xfce seems to be losing its identity. Some core devs seem to have stronger ties to Gnome and Elementary, elements of those DEs are being imported into Xfce, and its points of being a light (or least not heavy) traditional DE are catered for by other projects.

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#9 2021-10-16 13:24:26

ToZ
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Re: Post YES if you will switch away from XFCE if the apps get CSD

It looks like a window has opened to make CSD optional. From https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/libxfce4ui/-/issues/14:

@shawnanastasio are you still up for a merge request to introduce an opt-out toggle? I only ask now because I talked with other devs and now this has a chance of getting merged.

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