What changes would you like to see in Thunar?

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-29 15:19:38

The most recent Dev list emails seem to indicate that Thunar is coming into focus for them, which has languished a bit. I thought it might be useful for the Community to create a list of reasonable suggestions for them to consider. To minimize work at the end, I suggest we use a rolling list. For instance, I put two suggestions down:

1. Suggestion 1
2. Suggestion 2

The next person could just copy the previous list, paste it inside quote brackets and the add something else:

[quote]1. Suggestion 1
2. Suggestion 2
3. Suggestion 3[/quote]

Finally, to indicate strong approval of suggestions, users could add a "+" sign after a previous suggestion in the quote box, like this:

[quote]1. Suggestion 1
2. Suggestion 2 +
3. Suggestion 3[/quote]

Can also add a "-" to disapprove. That would let us rank the suggestions at the end.

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If this procedure works for people, I will start with two items that came up immediately on our forum:

1. Split view option
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option

Last edited by Jerry3904 (2014-10-31 01:26:53)

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-29 21:19:50

Adding two others that have come up in our thread:

1. Split view option
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in

Last edited by Jerry3904 (2014-10-29 21:20:26)

dollyp · 2014-10-30 19:45:29

1. Split view option +1
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +1
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-30 20:50:57

Thanks for taking part, it was beginning to sound like an echo chamber here!

ToZ · 2014-10-30 21:07:28

1. Split view option +1
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +1
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in
5. Custom folder icons.

MountainDewManiac · 2014-10-30 22:52:03

1. Split view option +1
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +1
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in
5. Custom folder icons.
6. Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player.

Regards,
MDM

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-31 00:06:02

lol

Love that #6!

sixsixfive · 2014-10-31 00:21:23

1. Split view option -1
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +1
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -1
5. Custom folder icons.
6. Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player.
7. work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes)
8. Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver

@6 depends on how it is done eg. let me choose the command for playing(I don't wan't to install hundreds of packages just for this minor feature)
@1+4 Not really useful for me since I always use tiling ;)

Last edited by sixsixfive (2014-10-31 00:21:40)

MountainDewManiac · 2014-10-31 01:06:03

IDK how #6 is done. I used to use Ultimate Edition as my distro back when it had GNOME 2.x as a DE. Nautilus or whatever it used did it. I didn't have to install anything (it came that way). BtW, the only thing I ever saw that installed hundreds of packages... was installing a distro. You must have had experience with some awfully strange apps in the past, lol.

Regards,
MDM

ToZ · 2014-10-31 03:30:11

I know its not the same, and you have to click to initiate it, but I've set up a custom action on my daughter's laptop so that she can preview audio files using this script:

#!/bin/bash
# preview an audio file and terminate when mouse moves 10 pixels in either direction
# requires: xdotool mplayer

eval $(xdotool getmouselocation --shell)
let OXa=$X-10
let OXb=$X+10
let OYa=$Y-10
let OYb=$Y+10

mplayer "$1" > /dev/null 2>&1 &
PID=$!

eval $(xdotool getmouselocation --shell)
while [ $X -ge $OXa -a $X -le $OXb -a $Y -ge $OYa -a $Y -le $OYb ]
do
	eval $(xdotool getmouselocation --shell)
done

kill -9 $PID
exit 0

The preview is terminated when the mouse is moved 10 pixels in either direction.

However, preview while hovering would definitely be an improvement. So:

1. Split view option -1
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +1
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -1
5. Custom folder icons.
6. Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player. +1
7. work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes)
8. Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver

MountainDewManiac · 2014-10-31 06:41:23

We can do MINUSes, lol? Hey, wait... I've got no use for the features, either, but in post #8, two of them (2 & 4) took a two-point negative hit - they went from +1 to -1; that takes two people, yes? They should have just gone back to "no modifier," methinks. Plus, I only used one suggestion choice because #6 was the only complaint I could think of - so does that mean I can make a double-whammy and call #6 a +2 instead of (its current) +1?

Regards,
MDM

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-31 11:07:58

LOL. I think people are not getting that the "+" and "-" are supposed to be copied over as well--guess I didn't explain that very well. So we should be seeing something like this:

Split view option + + + -

After breakfast I will correct the running list.

Last edited by Jerry3904 (2014-10-31 14:01:24)

MountainDewManiac · 2014-10-31 11:45:37

Ah, the "", "+2," "-27" works best. Well... If people would learn to count, anyway.

Regards,
MDM

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-31 14:05:42

Please start with this list, including the plus or minus signs.

1. Split view option +++-
2. Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
3. Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size ++++
4. option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -
5. Custom folder icons.
6. Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player. +
7. work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes). +
8. Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver

Each post from now on should start with the most recent list available.

Last edited by Jerry3904 (2014-10-31 14:06:02)

MountainDewManiac · 2014-10-31 14:22:33

Hey, Jerry, IDK about the rest of the folks who have added to your list, but I'd put #7 in bold, red, underlined print. Feature requests are one thing, and it's understandable that the developer address those as he sees fit (or not at all, if he so chooses, since it's his/her application in the first place) - but responsible developers ought to at least acknowledge bug-reports, even if it's just to say, "I cannot replicate this," or, "I cannot fix this." If nobody minds, how about moving it to #1?

Regards,
MDM

Jerry3904 · 2014-10-31 14:45:39

Sure can. That is not actually an ordered list in terms of priority, just as posted--will change the numbers to avoid ambiguity. I agree that if ToZ says the Devs are not paying attention to Bugzilla, we should give them a little impetus to start doing so.

Here is the revised list:

--Work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes). ++
--Split view option +++-
--Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
--Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size ++++
--Option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -
--Custom folder icons.
--Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player. +
--Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver

Last edited by Jerry3904 (2014-10-31 14:46:21)

birch · 2014-11-01 05:50:30

--Work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes). ++
--Split view option +++-+
--Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
--Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +++++
--Option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -+
--Custom folder icons.+
--Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player. +
--Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver
--Option to organize Thunar Custom Actions into submenus based on the type of action (video, images, audio, etc) -- useful for those of us who use lots of custom actions.

Last edited by birch (2014-11-01 05:52:14)

eric_the_idiot · 2014-11-01 07:23:02

birch wrote:

--Work off Bugzilla (it seems some devs don't know that it exists but it's full of unanswered bugs and wishes). ++
--Split view option +++-+
--Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
--Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +++++
--Option that would split the window into an upper pane with the file manager stuff, and a lower pane with a terminal opened to whatever directory you were in -+
--Custom folder icons.+
--Hovering mouse cursor on audio file for 2+ seconds causes audio file to be played without loading media player. +
--Integrate unp to simply extract archives without a gui file archiver
--Option to organize Thunar Custom Actions into submenus based on the type of action (video, images, audio, etc) -- useful for those of us who use lots of custom actions.

Hey, I don't have commit rights to Thunar but I can happily throw patches at Thunar's bugzilla page and help where I can smile

--Drag file to a different folder and have a symlink option
Right (alt) click drag and drop should provide this. I don't know if the maintainers would accept a patch to add a property to always popup the context menu on a drag and drop operation.

--Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +++++
I added that to xfdesktop-settings for the 4.11 dev stuff, I'll see if I can do the same for Thunar.

--Custom folder icons.+
I added that to xfdesktop for 4.11 as well. So same deal. The only downside is trying to support many of the different "standards" for cover art files (i.e. folder.jpg, cover.jpg, albumart.jpg or fanart.jpg).

I know with the first item in bold red this may seem silly, but if there are bug requests for these things already in bugzilla please add a note for it here since that's where I'd (and hopefully others) can post the proposed patch to.

eric_the_idiot · 2014-11-01 07:39:08

--Mouse over an image and see a thumbnail, dimensions, file size +++++
Dimensions might not be something we can do. Since Thunar works with the thumbnails and not the actual file, it never knows the actual dimensions of the image. Thunar would have to load the image to get the dimensions and that defeats the purpose of the thumbnail. So the only way to do that would be to embed the actual image dimensions in the thumbnail file. If that's possible, we should propose it to the thumbnail management spec so it works outside of Xfce as well.

For just showing thumbnails it looks this one is the bug report: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10852
I'll work on it from there so this page isn't filled with my notes

Jerry3904 · 2014-11-01 15:26:40

That would be great, thanks a lot!

What about the split screen, do you have any ideas on how to meet this highest-rated wish?

eric_the_idiot · 2014-11-01 18:43:44

I personally haven't looked into it yet. I was just picking a couple to start with.

Jerry3904 · 2014-11-01 19:47:04

OK, just wondered. Thanks.

Jerry3904 · 2014-11-01 20:06:32

In addition to the Bugzilla reference on this topic, the wish list is also important to consider:

https://wiki.xfce.org/wish_list#thunar

Jerry3904 · 2014-11-02 13:33:52

We also need to take into account the hidden settings, a couple of which seem to cover topics we or others have raised.

Jerry3904 · 2014-11-02 14:28:59

One last item since somebody brought it up here.

This is a quick and good-looking addition to the Thunar context menu that I stumbled across in the Xfce documentation.

Thunar > Edit > Configure custom actions
Click the plus icon

Enter the following values

Name: Disk Usage
Command: baobab %f
File pattern: *
Appears if selection contains: tick all boxes

Install baobab from repos (453 kB download, 2.7 MB on disk)

Example below.

NOTE: the Thunar page says the command should be

baobab %d

but I found that that always scanned the entire home directory, whereas this baobab %f reveals the contents of the folder selected.

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