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#1 2016-12-21 23:23:32

IpreferXfce
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Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Sometimes I want to open up lots of mp3 files in audacity.  Each file opens in a separate window.  But sometimes while I'm waiting for all the files to open up, I switch to a different workspace.  When I do audacity follows me.  Soon I have windows opening up on the workspace I switched to as well as some of them open on the original workspace.  Is there anything I can do to confine a program like audacity to just the one workspace so that I can get other things done on another workspace?

I'm running XFCE 4 and Audacity 2.1.2.

Last edited by IpreferXfce (2017-02-21 04:21:30)

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#2 2016-12-22 01:30:44

ToZ
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Try setting Settings Manager > Windows Manager Tweaks > Focus tab > "When a window raises itself" to "Do nothing". This should allow the windows to keep opening in the original tab while you cycle around workspaces. The other option is to use something like devilspie.

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#3 2016-12-23 00:29:53

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

It is not only in programs like audacity, I also have it in Vivaldi-browser in some workspace opening tabs opening links of a mailprogram (in another workspace). And not after a fixed number of tabs open, but after some links from certain forums.
Here it looks like it has something to do with news-notification of the feedreader quiterss. So it looks like a bug.
I switched off quiterss notification and checked before that what ToZ wrote. For the moment all goes well.
I hope this can be of help.

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#4 2016-12-23 17:39:32

rijnsma
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Today I was suspicious about my browser (Vivaldi 1.6...).
So I went back to 1.3..
Problem over..! No more disappearance of tabs, no more jumping to a workspace where the link for a tab in Vivaldi has been clicked.
I have posted the problem in the Vivaldi-forum. (But it is also in audacity.)
Could it be something in a compiler the software-developer works with? I keep in mind the post of IpreferXfce .

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#5 2017-01-22 02:03:48

IpreferXfce
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

ToZ wrote:

Try setting Settings Manager > Windows Manager Tweaks > Focus tab > "When a window raises itself" to "Do nothing". This should allow the windows to keep opening in the original tab while you cycle around workspaces. The other option is to use something like devilspie.

I tried the first option once and it didn't help.  Do you need to logout and then log back in before it takes effect?

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#6 2017-02-20 19:44:49

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Update: Still haven't been able to resolve the issue.  Today I made video of what it is doing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Pf0J0-oKc

I'm running XFCE 4 and Audacity 2.1.2.

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#7 2017-02-21 01:09:54

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

I don't know if this is something thats necessarily wrong with the Window Manager as its doing its job. When you open multiple files in Audacity like that, they all open in a new instance of audacity. The window manager is opening each new instance of the application in the current workspace - like its meant to do.

I wonder how it works in the other desktop environments like Gnome or KDE?

As a work around, you can force all audacity windows to open on one workspace using devilspie and an audacity.ds file like this:

(if
        (matches (window_class) "Audacity")
        (begin
                (set_workspace 4)
        )
)

...change "4" to the workspace you want it to open on.

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#8 2017-02-21 01:53:52

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

ToZ wrote:

I don't know if this is something thats necessarily wrong with the Window Manager as its doing its job. When you open multiple files in Audacity like that, they all open in a new instance of audacity. The window manager is opening each new instance of the application in the current workspace - like its meant to do.

I wonder how it works in the other desktop environments like Gnome or KDE?

As a work around, you can force all audacity windows to open on one workspace using devilspie and an audacity.ds file like this:

(if
        (matches (window_class) "Audacity")
        (begin
                (set_workspace 4)
        )
)

...change "4" to the workspace you want it to open on.

My System:

System:    Host: gregory-z170m-plus Kernel: 4.4.0-63-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.28) Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Z170M-PLUS v: Rev X.0x Bios: American Megatrends v: 0704 date: 02/18/2016
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-6600K (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 28032
           clock speeds: max: 4200 MHz 1: 799 MHz 2: 799 MHz 3: 799 MHz 4: 799 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] bus-ID: 03:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 750 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 370.28 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA Device 0fbc driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 03:00.1 Sound: ALSA v: k4.4.0-63-generic
           Card-2 Intel Sunrise Point-H HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
Network:   Card: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k bus-ID: 00:1f.6
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 515.8GB (8.5% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LT012 size: 500.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_Glide size: 15.7GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 122G used: 26G (23%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda8
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 16.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 0.0:34C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 218 Uptime: 1:40 Memory: 1573.0/15971.2MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35

I never tried gnome or kde doing this with audacity.

I found this link:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie

I checked:  "Community-maintained free and open-source software (universe)" is enabled

How do you install devilspie?

Here is some things I tried.

sudo apt-get install devilspie
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package devilspie

sudo apt-get install devilspie2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package devilspie2

devilspie
The program 'devilspie' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt install devilspie

sudo apt install devilspie
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package devilspie

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#9 2017-02-21 02:29:07

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Try refreshing your repositories:

sudo apt-get update

It should be there (ref).

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#10 2017-02-21 03:03:03

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Ok I think it installed after doing that.  

sudo apt-get update
[sudo] password for gregory: 
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No s-expressions loaded, quiting

I thought you could run it from the terminal....

I created an audacity.ds file.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hA9VWHZPic

Where does the audacity.ds file go?

Last edited by IpreferXfce (2017-02-21 03:12:14)

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#11 2017-02-21 03:08:58

ToZ
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Create a ~/.devilspie directory and put the audacity.ds file in there. If devilspie is running, stop it and start it up again. If you run it from a terminal window, run it as "devilspie -d" so you can see debug info about what is happening. If its working fine, put the command in your autostart applications.

More info here.

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#12 2017-02-21 03:21:30

IpreferXfce
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

ToZ wrote:

Create a ~/.devilspie directory and put the audacity.ds file in there. If devilspie is running, stop it and start it up again. If you run it from a terminal window, run it as "devilspie -d" so you can see debug info about what is happening. If its working fine, put the command in your autostart applications.

More info here.

I'm printing that link. 

I created .devilspie under my home folder and put the audacity in it.

I looked in the processes to see if devilspie was running or not.  Didn't appear to be.

I opened the terminal and typed devilspie -d 

devilspie -d
Devil's Pie 0.23 starting...
Loading /etc/devilspie
/etc/devilspie doesn't exist
Loading /home/gregory/.devilspie
Loading /home/gregory/.devilspie/audacity.ds
1 s-expressions loaded.

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#13 2017-02-21 03:24:33

ToZ
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Loading /home/gregory/.devilspie/audacity.ds
1 s-expressions loaded.

It loaded the file. Now do that thing with audacity and see if they all open on the same desktop.

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#14 2017-02-21 03:27:50

IpreferXfce
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

ToZ wrote:

Loading /home/gregory/.devilspie/audacity.ds
1 s-expressions loaded.

It loaded the file. Now do that thing with audacity and see if they all open on the same desktop.

Things are looking better!  As you can see from the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK86-YlSpwU

Do I put devilspie -d in the autostart?

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#15 2017-02-21 03:29:53

ToZ
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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Looks good. Just put "devilspie" as the command in your autostart. You only need to use the "-d" if your trying to debug something.

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#16 2017-02-21 03:59:58

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

ToZ wrote:

Looks good. Just put "devilspie" as the command in your autostart. You only need to use the "-d" if your trying to debug something.

I made two more videos, so that you can see my progress.  I know have it set to open up in workspace 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn9las0zAcg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVtSNpscph0

Thanks

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#17 2017-02-21 04:13:33

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

Glad it worked for you. One bit of info: if you change any of the .ds files, you don't need to log out and back in again. Just kill and restart the devilspie program so it re-reads the file change.

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#18 2017-02-21 12:49:25

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

I know ToZ loves to use devilspie itself, but I'm here to tell you that the graphic version gdevilspie is a lot easier for many users. Not sure if it runs on Ubu 16.04, but it runs fine on all versions of Debian.

The only problem is that there appears to be no documentation; I wrote a small how-to for our Wiki that might help others.

MX-23 (based on Debian Stable) with our flagship Xfce 4.18.

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#19 2017-04-23 22:03:39

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Re: Issue with audacity invading another workspace....[Solved]

The devilspie works but not well enough for me to keep using it.  While audacity is loading up files I still can't open up firefox and browse the Internet because with the combination of audacity and devilspie takes up too much of something, and nothing else will load up until everything in audacity loads up.  That is on a machine running an i5 processor with 16 gigs of ram.

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