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awsdert

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Registered: 2022-07-02

Posts: 2

Unwanted items in application marked as must have

Specifically: "Terminal Emulator", "File Manager", "Mail Reader" & "Web Browser"

None of which need a dedicated slot in the top menu, so long as the relevant applications show up in the sub menus there's no need to forcefully add items we don't need, if someone want's them, let them add them themselves, don't force it on them. I for one NEVER download my e-mails since the e-mail provider provides a decent enough interface for my needs, I don't want values useless to me being forced on me just because some other people want them for themselves, they want it, they put them in, not force it on everyone regardless of whether they actually want/need it or not.

Also when I tried the live version of manjaro xfce the application menu looked completely different to how it looked after install, is that because of manjaro devs or xfce devs?

KBar

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Registered: 2021-11-05

Posts: 689

Re: Unwanted items in application marked as must have

Hi.

You have to keep in mind that you're not the only user of Xfce. Having these apps in their own section allows new users who've never tried Linux to pick it up more easily. This self-centered view is flawed: a thing you may deem useless may be helpful for ten other people.

You also need to understand that:

1. Nobody is forcing anything on you. You have absolute freedom over what you choose and you are granted permission to copy, modify or change the code

2. The Xfce developers, however few, aren't some evil corporation wanting to screw you over. I don't see how your baseless and negative rant helps them understand your problem. If anything, it's destructive and counter-productive.

Instead, you could have spent that energy to try to come up with your own solution or find one that's relevant to your case. This topic could prove to be a goldmine to you. Please have a read. Xfce is quite modular and not all of the components are of the equality (get it? equal quality). A more flexible and modern menu exists: Whisker Menu is a decent alternative. This wiki page goes into menu editing in-depth and suggests using GUI tools like MenuLibre.

Again, try not to look from your own perspective only.

Also when I tried the live version of manjaro xfce the application menu looked completely different to how it looked after install, is that because of manjaro devs or xfce devs?

I believe Manjaro ships with a bunch of different layouts by default. You probably chose or were welcomed with a different layout to what gets installed after. Try to look around the settings and see if you can find a way to change it. There should be Panel Profiles installed. It has its own pre-configured panel layouts. Back up your current one and try different ones.

Welcome to our forum.

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awsdert

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Registered: 2022-07-02

Posts: 2

Re: Unwanted items in application marked as must have

Hi.

You have to keep in mind that you're not the only user of Xfce. Having these apps in their own section allows new users who've never tried Linux to pick it up more easily. This self-centered view is flawed: a thing you may deem useless may be helpful for ten other people.

That's no excuse to mandate that those items be there, they should be removable, there is no reason good enough for forcing them to be there.

You also need to understand that:

1. Nobody is forcing anything on you. You have absolute freedom over what you choose and you are granted permission to copy, modify or change the code

2. The Xfce developers, however few, aren't some evil corporation wanting to screw you over. I don't see how your baseless and negative rant helps them understand your problem. If anything, it's destructive and counter-productive.

I didn't say they were something like an evil corp, I said they need to stop mandating the items be there, it's one thing to have them there by default, quite another to mandate they be there regardless of whether the user wants them or not, if I want to delete them I should be able to do so without being blocked as I currently am (the button is disabled & even hitting the key does nothing).

Instead, you could have spent that energy to try to come up with your own solution or find one that's relevant to your case. This topic could prove to be a goldmine to you. Please have a read. Xfce is quite modular and not all of the components are of the equality (get it? equal quality). A more flexible and modern menu exists: Whisker Menu is a decent alternative. This wiki page goes into menu editing in-depth and suggests using GUI tools like MenuLibre.

Do I really need to explicitly say "enable the delete action on those items"? I'm sorry but if the devs are THAT stupid then I question how they got this far with xfce in the 1st place.

Again, try not to look from your own perspective only.

What part of my post lead you to that conclusion?

Also when I tried the live version of manjaro xfce the application menu looked completely different to how it looked after install, is that because of manjaro devs or xfce devs?

I believe Manjaro ships with a bunch of different layouts by default. You probably chose or were welcomed with a different layout to what gets installed after. Try to look around the settings and see if you can find a way to change it. There should be Panel Profiles installed. It has its own pre-configured panel layouts. Back up your current one and try different ones.

Welcome to our forum.

Not the panels that are the issue, I was able to customise those to what I wanted anyways, annoying to do but not a big enough issue that I would start a thread for it, I only mentioned it since I was already starting a thread for the rea; problem, the fact I could not delete the unneeded items from the menu.

CwF

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Registered: 2018-01-28

Posts: 305

Re: Unwanted items in application marked as must have

Specifically: "Terminal Emulator", "File Manager", "Mail Reader" & "Web Browser"

I use them.
You can customize an alternate if you like.

What part of my post lead you to that conclusion?

KBar picked up 'attitude', so do I.

Do I really need to explicitly say "enable the delete action on those items"? I'm sorry but if the devs are THAT stupid then I question how they got this far with xfce in the 1st place.

any questions? Check yourself.

KBar

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Registered: 2021-11-05

Posts: 689

Re: Unwanted items in application marked as must have

That's no excuse to mandate that those items be there, they should be removable, there is no reason good enough for forcing them to be there.

Nobody is forcing anything. The items are there for a reason. The customization options are available, although not easily accessible.

I didn't say they were something like an evil corp, I said they need to stop mandating the items be there, it's one thing to have them there by default, quite another to mandate they be there regardless of whether the user wants them or not, if I want to delete them I should be able to do so without being blocked as I currently am (the button is disabled & even hitting the key does nothing).

There are no mandates. It's just how it's coded. They're enabled by default and can be removed at will. MenuLibre will help you with that. You're welcome to join the development on Gitlab and help sort this out. I know I did for a couple of things. We're all happy volunteers. Your tone is improper, to say the very least.

Do I really need to explicitly say "enable the delete action on those items"? I'm sorry but if the devs are THAT stupid then I question how they got this far with xfce in the 1st place.

This kind of language will not be tolerated. You have been banned for a week.

What part of my post lead you to that conclusion?

Virtually every single one of your sentences comes down to you being the center of the world. I will quote just a few. Re-read them with a clear mind:

I for one NEVER download my e-mails since the e-mail provider provides a decent enough interface for my needs, I don't want values useless to me being forced on me just because some other people want them for themselves, they want it, they put them in, not force it on everyone regardless of whether they actually want/need it or not.

That's no excuse to mandate that those items be there, they should be removable, there is no reason good enough for forcing them to be there.

You don't want the developers to mandate stuff, yet you hold your preferences, needs and values above the others' with no regards and respect whatsoever.

Not the panels that are the issue, I was able to customise those to what I wanted anyways, annoying to do but not a big enough issue that I would start a thread for it, I only mentioned it since I was already starting a thread for the rea; problem, the fact I could not delete the unneeded items from the menu.

Factually wrong. You have a long week ahead to reconsider your approach and maybe even learn a thing or two from all the links (in particular, the wiki article and ToZ's post) that I shared. In the meantime, maybe others will offer other options and some guidance.

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Remember to edit the subject of your topic to include the [SOLVED] tag once you're satisfied with the answers or have found a solution (in which case, don't forget to share it as well), so that other members of the community can quickly refer to it and save their time. Pretty please!