[SOLVED] Debian 12 Xfce icons

MNS1968 · 2023-12-03 09:53:46

Hi all,

Not a great problem but this minor issue puzzles me.

I have two PC's, both run Debian 12 and both PC's are on kennel 6.1.0-13. Yet the modern computer 11th gen Intel PC doesn't seem to update it's icons (see below) where as the older PC with a Intel i3-2100 are all up to date. Thunderbird new logo is one I've noticed hasn't updated on the 11th gen, also some bookmarks on Firefox.

Both PC's are up to date with all software from repositories. The only thing I can think is it's to do with the graphics drivers. The 11th gen has a RX 6700XT graphics card, but the 2nd gen is using it's onboard graphics.

11th gen PC

2nd gen PC

Anyone else noticed this?

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 22:43:20)

eriefisher · 2023-12-03 11:55:23

What theme are you using and is it the same on both machines?

MNS1968 · 2023-12-03 12:09:32

eriefisher wrote:

What theme are you using and is it the same on both machines?

Same, default Xfce, no themes.

eriefisher · 2023-12-03 13:39:01

There has to be a theme of some sort being used. I don't know what the Debian default is. There is obviously something set differently as I see a different background and one has some transparency set. If both machines are identical as per software installation and settings then the appearance would be the same. The graphics card is not relevant.

MNS1968 · 2023-12-03 14:36:26

eriefisher wrote:

There has to be a theme of some sort being used. I don't know what the Debian default is. There is obviously something set differently as I see a different background and one has some transparency set.

Nope, no themes other default Xfce and stock icons. I like to keep everything stock other than wallpaper.

What your seeing in the screenshots is the bottom edge of two desktop background wallpapers.

Main PC i5 11400:

Second PC i3 2100:

Debian default paper:

Other than a few tweaks to settings, like Panel transparency setting and adding the Whisker Menu.

I've tried adding a new panel, same result. Reinstalled Firefox and Thunderbird but the old logo appears and updated everything, still no change.

uibits · 2023-12-07 04:38:07

Nice and cute desktop images.

Just an aside, so skip this if you are interested in solving the problem, but the old Thunderbird icon is better. Yes it had perhaps too many superficial details and perspective etc but a skillful designer can very elegantly fix that while also reducing details as the icon goes from 48px down to 16. Looks like Mozilla are falling for the same idea, as a monolithic tech company (that might also be paying off Mozilla for other reasons). God forbid that we take a moment to appreciate a nice icon, that would obviously be sloth! "No diversity! Only uniformity, only abstractions of a circle with dot in middle. If you are lucky you get circle turned 1/3rd to side, Now get back to consuming our content."

Sorry I just had to say something here. I admit I don't use Thunderbird anymore, but I may have been using their old icon for something. smile

Last edited by uibits (2023-12-07 04:40:11)

Crippled2013 · 2023-12-07 05:24:46

MNS1968 wrote:

eriefisher wrote:
What theme are you using and is it the same on both machines?
Same, default Xfce, no themes.

While I am not using Debian I am using MX-23.1 which is Debian base. I use the oxygen icons which has that newer Thunderbird icon. Install oxygen icons from Synaptic would correct that issue.

MNS1968 · 2023-12-08 11:42:00

uibits wrote:

Nice and cute desktop images.
Just an aside, so skip this if you are interested in solving the problem, but the old Thunderbird icon is better. Yes it had perhaps too many superficial details and perspective etc but a skillful designer can very elegantly fix that while also reducing details as the icon goes from 48px down to 16. Looks like Mozilla are falling for the same idea, as a monolithic tech company (that might also be paying off Mozilla for other reasons). God forbid that we take a moment to appreciate a nice icon, that would obviously be sloth! "No diversity! Only uniformity, only abstractions of a circle with dot in middle. If you are lucky you get circle turned 1/3rd to side, Now get back to consuming our content."
Sorry I just had to say something here. I admit I don't use Thunderbird anymore, but I may have been using their old icon for something.

I get what your saying but this issue isn't effecting only Thunderbird but Firefox bookmark icons as well.

Crippled2013 wrote:

MNS1968 wrote:
eriefisher wrote:
What theme are you using and is it the same on both machines?
Same, default Xfce, no themes.
While I am not using Debian I am using MX-23.1 which is Debian base. I use the oxygen icons which has that newer Thunderbird icon. Install oxygen icons from Synaptic would correct that issue.

It's not a icon theme causing this either. No matter what icon theme you use the Thunderbird icon stays the same.

MNS1968 · 2023-12-08 11:46:59

I've also noted my Gravatar on this forum either. Worked before on Debian 11 but not after the fresh install of two months ago.

This is strange as if you look up properties for this icon it does show the new icon listed.

I'm beginning to think a fresh download and new install might be the answer.

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-08 12:05:52)

Crippled2013 · 2023-12-08 12:19:24

MNS1968 wrote:

uibits wrote:
Nice and cute desktop images.
Just an aside, so skip this if you are interested in solving the problem, but the old Thunderbird icon is better. Yes it had perhaps too many superficial details and perspective etc but a skillful designer can very elegantly fix that while also reducing details as the icon goes from 48px down to 16. Looks like Mozilla are falling for the same idea, as a monolithic tech company (that might also be paying off Mozilla for other reasons). God forbid that we take a moment to appreciate a nice icon, that would obviously be sloth! "No diversity! Only uniformity, only abstractions of a circle with dot in middle. If you are lucky you get circle turned 1/3rd to side, Now get back to consuming our content."
Sorry I just had to say something here. I admit I don't use Thunderbird anymore, but I may have been using their old icon for something.
I get what your saying but this issue isn't effecting only Thunderbird but Firefox bookmark icons as well.
Crippled2013 wrote:
MNS1968 wrote:
Same, default Xfce, no themes.
While I am not using Debian I am using MX-23.1 which is Debian base. I use the oxygen icons which has that newer Thunderbird icon. Install oxygen icons from Synaptic would correct that issue.
It's not a icon theme causing this either. No matter what icon theme you use the Thunderbird icon stays the same.

That shouldn't be so because I just checked. When I change the icon theme it changes all the icons including the Thunderbird icon.

Last edited by Crippled2013 (2023-12-08 12:22:01)

MNS1968 · 2023-12-08 18:55:41

Crippled2013 wrote:

That shouldn't be so because I just checked. When I change the icon theme it changes all the icons including the Thunderbird icon.

Ah, now you understand, something is definitely not right here. Question is what's causing the issue?

MNS1968 · 2023-12-08 19:04:06

Avatars still missing and not only on this site. It's not the adblocker nor the UFW firewall.

I've been using Linux for 13 years, Debian for 5 years and never seen anything quite like this.

t_proton · 2023-12-08 21:12:31

Test of Gravatar user image.

ToZ · 2023-12-08 21:15:44

@MSN1968, I just tested the gravatar functionality in the post above and it seems to work. Crippled2013 doesn't have a gravatar so thats why you see the default image. I can see that you have an image set in your account. Can you confirm that the email address used for your gravatar account is the same email address you are using when registered here?

MNS1968 · 2023-12-08 23:41:07

Hi ToZ, Yes, same email.

The gravatar not really the issue but icons are. See above.

ToZ · 2023-12-09 02:10:42

Can you post back the output of the following commands from both computers?

xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Net/IconThemeName
cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini

Crippled2013 · 2023-12-09 06:18:26

MNS1968 wrote:

Avatars still missing and not only on this site. It's not the adblocker nor the UFW firewall.
https://i.postimg.cc/W1KZb3vR/Screenshot-2023-12-08-18-58-53.png
I've been using Linux for 13 years, Debian for 5 years and never seen anything quite like this.

I don't use an avatar on here.

MNS1968 · 2023-12-09 08:02:56

ToZ wrote:

Can you post back the output of the following commands from both computers?
xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Net/IconThemeName
cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini

11th gen PC

2nd gen PC ...hang on, while I nip upstairs.

In case your wondering I do use a custom terminal powerline font and nala command. The fancy bash prompt script I used since 2019 and never found any issues caused by using it.

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 08:26:51)

ToZ · 2023-12-09 12:02:33

Can we see from both computers:

ps -ef | grep xf
ls -l ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml

And maybe also:

apt-cache policy thunderbird

Last edited by ToZ (2023-12-09 12:05:47)

MNS1968 · 2023-12-09 14:47:01

ToZ wrote:

Can we see from both computers:
ps -ef | grep xf
ls -l ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
And maybe also:
apt-cache policy thunderbird

11th gen PC

2nd gen PC.

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 14:55:20)

ToZ · 2023-12-09 16:01:06

One more (from both computers):

xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -lv

MNS1968 · 2023-12-09 16:41:12

ToZ wrote:

One more (from both computers):
xfconf-query -c xfce4-panel -lv

11th gen PC

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Have what for the other PC. The wife is on it, Facebook ...we could be sometime. roll

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 22:09:46)

MNS1968 · 2023-12-09 22:10:54

2nd gen PC

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/plugins/plugin-23/items <<UNSUPPORTED>>
/plugins/plugin-24 launcher
/plugins/plugin-24/items <<UNSUPPORTED>>
/plugins/plugin-25 launcher
/plugins/plugin-25/items <<UNSUPPORTED>>
/plugins/plugin-2/grouping 1
/plugins/plugin-3 separator
/plugins/plugin-3/expand true
/plugins/plugin-3/style 0
/plugins/plugin-4 pager
/plugins/plugin-5 separator
/plugins/plugin-5/style 0
/plugins/plugin-6 systray
/plugins/plugin-6/icon-size 16
/plugins/plugin-6/known-items <<UNSUPPORTED>>
/plugins/plugin-6/known-legacy-items <<UNSUPPORTED>>
/plugins/plugin-6/square-icons true
/plugins/plugin-7 whiskermenu
/plugins/plugin-8 pulseaudio
/plugins/plugin-8/enable-keyboard-shortcuts true
/plugins/plugin-8/mpris-players firefox.instance1222;firefox.instance2161;firefox.instance2757;firefox.instance45890
/plugins/plugin-8/show-notifications true
/plugins/plugin-9 weather
/plugins/plugin-9/cache-max-age 172800
/plugins/plugin-9/forecast/days 5
/plugins/plugin-9/forecast/layout 1
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label0 3
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label1 5
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label2 9
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label3 15
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label4 16
/plugins/plugin-9/labels/label5 17
/plugins/plugin-9/location/latitude 51.439824
/plugins/plugin-9/location/longitude 0.762040
/plugins/plugin-9/location/name Sheerness, Swale
/plugins/plugin-9/msl 5
/plugins/plugin-9/offset +00:00
/plugins/plugin-9/power-saving true
/plugins/plugin-9/round true
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/animate true
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/color rgba(0,0,0,0)
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/font Quicksand Medium, Medium 7
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/lines 1
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/show true
/plugins/plugin-9/scrollbox/use-color false
/plugins/plugin-9/single-row true
/plugins/plugin-9/theme-dir /usr/share/xfce4/weather/icons/liquid
/plugins/plugin-9/timezone Europe/London
/plugins/plugin-9/tooltip-style 1
/plugins/plugin-9/units/altitude 1
/plugins/plugin-9/units/apparent-temperature 0
/plugins/plugin-9/units/precipitation 1
/plugins/plugin-9/units/pressure 2
/plugins/plugin-9/units/temperature 0
/plugins/plugin-9/units/windspeed 1

I reposted this thinking it had missed some text off the terminal but this all I get with command with 2nd gen intel PC.

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 22:12:38)

ToZ · 2023-12-09 22:23:53

11th-gen PC:

/panels/panel-1/icon-size                                   16
/panels/panel-1/size                                        32
/panels/panel-2/icon-size                                   42
/panels/panel-2/size                                        70

2nd-gen PC:

/panels/panel-1/icon-size                     16
/panels/panel-1/size                          24
/panels/panel-2/icon-size                     30
/panels/panel-2/size                          50

Not sure on which panel the tasklist (Winodow Buttons) plugin is on, but try making the panel Row Size and Appearance>Icon Size the same to see if it helps. I wonder whether given the different values, different icons are being selected from the icon theme.

MNS1968 · 2023-12-09 22:42:14

ToZ wrote:

11th-gen PC:
/panels/panel-1/icon-size                                   16
/panels/panel-1/size                                        32
/panels/panel-2/icon-size                                   42
/panels/panel-2/size                                        70
2nd-gen PC:
/panels/panel-1/icon-size                     16
/panels/panel-1/size                          24
/panels/panel-2/icon-size                     30
/panels/panel-2/size                          50
Not sure on which panel the tasklist (Winodow Buttons) plugin is on, but try making the panel Row Size and Appearance>Icon Size the same to see if it helps. I wonder whether given the different values, different icons are being selected from the icon theme.

Funny enough, before I saw your reply, I was playing around with panel settings on the 2nd-gen PC and found by increasing the icon size the Thunderbird icon would revert back to old style logo. This PC runs 1080p on a 22" screen.

So back to the 11th-gen PC, this computer runs 1440p on a 27" screen. I tried it on the 11th gen increase the size icon from 42 to 46 and found once the logo increased in size, it changes to the new Thunderbird logo.

Feel a bit of a fool for not thinking about this solution before. Still have the strange issues of Firefox but maybe that's done to scaling as well.

Think we can safely mark this thread as solved.

Thank you ToZ and everyone for your help.

Last edited by MNS1968 (2023-12-09 23:06:46)

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