Whisker menu slight pause when using super key to open it

advice1010 · 2023-08-19 22:22:24

I apologize I don't really think there is an answer for this but I have my Whisker menu set to open when super key is pressed and I notice when using this hotkey the menu doesn't just load up fast, like I would think it would be instant because XFCE does not have any kind of animation linked to this, but there is an odd slight pause between hitting the key and the menu appearing. It is less noticable when using mouse click on menu icon to open it, not sure if has to do when length of key stroke. It is not a major issue but just something does not feel right about it.
Does anyone else notice this? Is there a setting somewhere something like a "make Whisker menu open quicker" type of thing.....

Also, another thing I noticed is that usually in other OS / DE when you hit the super key once the menu opens and then if you hit it again the menu toggles closed.
Not sure why but with XFCE / Whisker menu you have to hit the super key twice to close it. I know you can also use escape key.
Again not a major issue but just curious why this would occur, just figured while I was already asking a question about Whisker menu I might as well mention it.

Thank You

advice1010 · 2023-09-05 22:07:34

Everything else in Xfce is relatively fast, so this little pause just feels strange.
I know the menu is more complex to load then a context menu, but when you RMB click the context menu is instant.
As mentioned there probably isn't any solution for this but would anyone be able to at least let me know if they experience this or not?

Not a huge issue, just curious if these two items mentioned are common or not.

Thank You

ToZ · 2023-09-05 23:37:12

Can you confirm that the command associated with the super key is "xfce4-popup-whiskermenu" (Settings Manager > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts) ? If so, what happens if you run that command in a terminal window?
- Any messages in the terminal window?
- Is the popup faster?

ds · 2023-09-06 16:02:12

Interesting. I found mine behaves like that too (a tiny bit delay when using the super key, but not when using the mouse button.) I can't find super key association in the Application Shortcuts. In fact, xfce4-popup-whiskermenu is associated with Alt+F1 by default. And if I use Alt+F1 it's instantaneous. Running the command via Terminal is also instantaneous.

While playing around, I found that pressing the Alt+F1 shortcut and holding it will make whisker menu flickers very quickly, but the super key would not do that. Instead, holding the super key for just a little (around 1 second or more) will not trigger the whisker menu at all. The same when trying to close the whisker menu using the super key. Holding it more than 1 second won't do, you simply have to tap.

So maybe it is intentional; the delay is probably to make sure that if the super key is accidentally hold, the whisker menu would not pop in and out frantically.

Last edited by ds (2023-09-06 16:04:20)

ToZ · 2023-09-06 18:42:28

ds wrote:

Interesting. I found mine behaves like that too (a tiny bit delay when using the super key, but not when using the mouse button.) I can't find super key association in the Application Shortcuts. In fact, xfce4-popup-whiskermenu is associated with Alt+F1 by default. And if I use Alt+F1 it's instantaneous. Running the command via Terminal is also instantaneous.

Do you have "xcape" running? It remaps the super key to use Alt-F1. If so, it may be the cause of the delay.

ds · 2023-09-07 05:56:50

Ah yes, you're right! I have xcape running. When I turned it off and set the super key to xfce4-popup-whiskermenu manually now it has no delay, the same as using Alt+F1.

Curiously, they behave differently. Holding the super key opens the whisker menu immediately but won't make it flicker on and off, unlike the Alt+F1.

ToZ · 2023-09-07 09:53:41

The issue with using just the Super key for the menu, is that you can't properly use any other shortcuts where the Super key is paired with another key, as they will both be triggered. However, it does look that this bug has been recently resolved.

advice1010 · 2023-09-08 16:47:52

Thought I figured out a solution but instead I may have figured out why this pause is there.

@ToZ
Thank you for your response
Also saw that you just responded again, I will check this link out, Thank you.
Still a little confused how version numbers / updates in Xfce work, so it may have been fixed?
Note: I typed all this below before seeing your last response.

@ds
Thank you for verifying this, nice to know that it is not just me / system.
I imagine the menu does not popup when you hold down the super key because it must take in account the use of the “super” as a modifier key when combined with other keys.
Holding down the “super” before I did items below produced same results, no menu if held down for a second.

SOME TESTS / INFORMATION
-Looked in my “Keyboard – Application Shortcuts” and did not see anything about Whisker menu and also no “super” key shortcut
-Checked “Settings Editor – xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts” nothing in there.
-Ran the command from terminal and it does appear to open up the menu quicker
-Decided to create new hotkey in “Keyboard – Application Shortcuts” shows up as “super L”

However some odd stuff occurred after I created this shortcut.
-Now if you hold down the super key the menu opens no matter what, so now the super key can no longer be used as a modifier key
-Now if you hit the super key to open it, if you try to toggle it closed by hitting super key again, mentioned above that before if you hit the key twice it would close it (as if you hit escape key), but now if you hit the key again even once while open it does one flicker and opens itself again.

I thought maybe it was because the hotkey was already set, so this was doubling the action and that is what it was.
I looked everywhere I could think and the last thing I remembered seeing this in “Session and Startup”
In there my distro had the following command set to run at startup “Xfce-superkey”.
When I killed this process that runs in the background, it fixes the all the issues, even the having to hit the super key twice to toggle the menu close is gone. The menu now loads up as quick as when you click on icon with the mouse.

However, now if you use the super key as a modifier it opens up the Whisker menu before doing so.
Like if you hit “super + e” to open your FM, you will see the Whisker menu flash open before your FM opens.
So this is probably why this pause is occurring?
I was so excited before realizing this last part, thought it worked.
Sorry for the long response but I was typing all of this as I was testing all of this.

Thank you both for your help, hopefully this will help others in the future.
If anyone confirms all of this, please share the results for others.

Everything that I typed here may be irrelevant if this was fixed as ToZ mentioned above?

Last edited by advice1010 (2023-09-08 16:59:58)

ToZ · 2023-09-08 17:18:53

Xfce-superkey is most probably a shell script that runs xcape. So this is a second confirmation that xcape is the culprit in the delay.

As for the fix, it has been fixed in the git development branch for libxfce4ui version 4.19.3 and backported to libxfce4ui version 4.18.5. It will depend on when your distro officially makes these versions available.

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